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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 15, 2011 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

This was from a post i wrote earlier in the year:

http://www.marinij.com/marin/ci_4136208

"It is also a lucrative and timely development for four musicians who are in deep middle-age, either 60 or over or close to it. While the terms of the deal were not disclosed, "it's a lot of money," said Tim Jorstad, a San Rafael-based accountant who is the Dead's chief financial officer in Marin.

"We negotiated a profit sharing with Rhino with some very large minimum payments each year," he said. "We have replaced their income, at one of their highest earning years, for 10 years. We are expecting to earn way more than the minimum payments, but at least these guys are very well protected. They're pleased that they have financial security for 10 years."

Sounds like they already got paid and good sales are only a bonus for the band members. So if the RT subscription and the eurobox are about raising capital its not for Phil's mansion or Bob's tuition fees. It's Rhino. Probably also suggests that the IP issues aren't really the band members either.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 15, 2011 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

A few years back (2006 & 2007), GDP filed 2 copyrights for sound recordings. One was the 11/24/78 Capitol Theater, Passaic, NJ show (SRu000648654), and the other was the New Years Eve 1988 show in Oakland (SRu000634348).

Does anyone know why they filed them? Was there a plan to release these back then?




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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 15, 2011 3:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

The Rhino deal was already in place by then. I wonder if it was for another use.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 15, 2011 5:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

At least they didn't stick to their pre-internet methods of marketing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRy7VmcX8fQ&;feature=player_embedded

funny that the commentators before the commercial are talking about overcoming heroin addiction.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 16, 2011 5:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

This reminds me of the discussion we had a while back about the DEAD and the MTV video...they just suck at visuals in my view. They aren't just having fun with it, they simply are as lost, confused, and awkward as I would be...they know it, and it comes thru.

You'd think it wouldn't, but it seems clear to me they are as out of their element, in spite of musical performances in front of millions, as is possible.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 16, 2011 7:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

Well, they always stiffened up at anything “permanent.”

Visually, they seemed comfortable in TV interviews -- but they're also self-deprecating and insistently non-"star"-ish. Same with those "musical performances in front of millions" ... basically they just stood and played (or tuned and thought about what to play, hmm hmmm, twiddle the thumbs, take a smoke break.) Planning? What's that? If someone finds a video on YouTube where they do three seconds of a mock-coordinated guitar move, it's posted as a "hey, look at THIS!" moment.

They didn’t mind screwing up in front of thousands. But they seemed to freeze up at the prospect of going on the Permanent Record. Sure, we can see shows and TV interviews on YouTube now, but at the time, they did them and it was over. They could wing it. If it was awful, it was over.

Then toss in the artificiality element for videos/commercials, and the way that a visual product pins you down (in terms of time, in terms of the interpretation of a song, etc.) … they just couldn’t do it. They had to mock it like complete morons.

Incidentally, what the heck does Bob take out of his mouth? Gum? A spitball? Chewin’ tobacco? His foot?

I think this commercial is a perfect TV representation of the E72 doofus-with-ice cream cover. And I imagine they knew it would be seen by some heads sitting around late at night, maybe even after a show, who'd go, "Whaaaa ... ?!?" Unbelievably bizarre. I love it.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 16, 2011 8:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

Yeah, I guess I only differ (or not?) in thinking they aren't actually TRYING to achieve the effect that you mention at the end of the post, if that makes sense (thus instead of loving it, I squirm?)...it happens, I agree, but just as when my kids would ask me to "act" in a video movie, and I instantly felt so awkward, when they'd later say (mockingly?) "oh, it was just what we wanted" I knew better...not really sure with the DEAD, but it just seems so like me...I think you are absolutely right that it's completely different from interviews in which the self-deprecation is their salvation (not taking themselves seriously, etc.).

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 16, 2011 9:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

I'm not sure they're trying to achieve the effect, exactly. Obviously they were trying to be funny, and they got some footage (planned or unplanned or a combination), but at some point they decided, "OK, that's good to go." So it worked for them, for whatever reason. They thought it would be funny to heads. They thought it was funny themselves. They just wanted the meeting to be over. Who knows.

I guess in the Hell in the Bucket video they were also trying to mock the video process, but that one's just painful. That's the one that makes me squirm. Or maybe that's cuz the Hell video goes on for so much longer and they clearly spent a lot more money and effort, so they really did take it seriously. This is just so cheesy and lame it's surreal. And, it's over quickly.

Oh, and I don't think they INTEND it to reflect the E72 cover, LOL. I just think it does.


This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2011-11-17 05:14:31

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 16, 2011 9:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

Yeah, and maybe that's the saving grace, eh? IE, it has various effects and such, intentional or not, and this is CLASSIC DEAD, right? The "biz model" that was never a model, etc., etc.

;)

[And of course, Bob would probably say "precisely!" after we pinned him down during an interview, going on and on as we just did, closing it by saying: "...so, was this what you were TRYING to do?"]

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Nov 17, 2011 1:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

Months ago I calld the DEAD the most unoriginal original band that there ever was. Google claimed that they covered over 80 songs and then some one chimed in and said there were more than 300 covers.Now w/ BMI and ASCAP as the watchdog for the publishes it is kinda leaning that the Dead to pay royalties,how much and how often who knows. Does it go by live performance or radio play,album sales, in any case one could see that to sustain just the royalty pkg they had to tour more w/bigger and sometimes better sounding p.a.s....

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Poster: yesss! Date: Nov 16, 2011 2:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

wha...?

what did i just watch?!?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 15, 2011 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

Wow.
That must be Exhibit A in the Marketing Lessons of the Grateful Dead...

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 16, 2011 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

That's hysterical! Nice find.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 16, 2011 1:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

They also slice, dice, and if you spray them with Endust, they'll roll around under your couch and make all those hard-to-clean places spic n span.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 15, 2011 5:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Music royalties, band compensation, etc.

speechless

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